Hi boon.
I am totally agree with Hilal.. its ok to have healthy and open minded debate or discussion on any topic under the sun.. I know MHO is a plateform for such debate/discussion.. but what is happening here is truly mindless.. the language used is just shameful.. I think MHO is fast becoming the platform for spreading hate and not peace for human kind... You are the moderator of this group and you have some responsibilities.. i know its very difficult for you to read all the mgs but when you are claiming this is the platform for spreading the humanity so u can ban anyone who is violating this.
Regards
Mohammad Tariq
--- On Sun, 28/3/10, Hilal Hyder <hilal_h@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: Hilal Hyder <hilal_h@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: {M-H-O} The real story on Hinduism !
To: MumbaiHangOut@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, 28 March, 2010, 11:05 PM
Hi Boon, Agreed to your comment below. I had also mentioned in my earlier mail about not criticizing any religion nor using abusive language to any individual, just because your thoughts are different form the others. Owner's of MHO group should not upload the mail, which uses any kind of abusive language nor any mail which is hurting the sentiments about any individual or any religion. Yes, definately disucss any issue, to improve your knowledge & to know what is going around the world. Mails sent by Shahid and Jayashree are really disheartening. Folks as long as the debate is healthy it's fine, once it goes beyond the ethics, it should be stopped. Any conclusion about any topic should consider the following points in order to understand the nature of the subject: a) Recaptitulate all the background about the topic b) If not a thorough, atleast little in-depth analysis c) Be completely unbiased, considering yourself a third party, who is not related to the topic at all. d) Understand the nature of the situation at the time the incident happened & the thought process of people during that era/period e) And above all, root cause analysis of the scenario, meaning why, where, how, when did this happened, under what situation. If the root cause analysis is done properly, then we will get an answer which will be correct to quite an extent. Apart from the points, you can include a lot of other points as well. Guys, please do let me know if I have missed any other points. I would really appreciate your comments on the above & do share your thoughts, so that even I may gain some knowledge from you. Hilal
From: ß๏๏ฑ <mumbaihungama@gmail.com>
To: MumbaiHangOut@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, March 28, 2010 9:59:04 PM
Subject: Re: {M-H-O} The real story on Hinduism !
A Self Explanatory Email from Jayshree " Check All Red Marked "
Lot of People asked not to Allow Such Emails to MHO
Why We should not have Debate here to Make People Aware of All what Happening around.
I must Open this Channel for fair debate as "HUMANS" not like Islamic Prophets or Hindu Pandits. Who tries to teach what is what with their { 4:10 } {5:16 } etc..
MHO is a Platform where we share Information think on all in a positive aspects.
MHO THIS IS NOT A RELIGION DISCRIMINATION GROUP
WE all are Humans and We Should Follow the Path of Humanity lets save our race and Cultures.
Lets keep away from our Political Leaders who are trying to Disturb us in the name of Religion.
Lets Keep Away from all beard Mullahs who are teaching terrorism in the name of Islam.
My Muslim Bro's and Sisters Keep Calm This is not to Your Religion. Because of Few People ISLAM Got a BAD Name.
Be True at Your Heart. Think Wise.
Allah Kareem & Hare Krishna
Peace,
BooN
On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 8:43 PM, ajit lohar <ajlo.795@gmail.com> wrote: Bravo Jayashree !!!!. Want such eye opener articles to realise the fact. Those who spreading terrorism all over world, they are teaching us what terrorism is? Mr. Shahid & Ppl like him continuously spreading misconceptions. This ppl are against humanity. Mr. shahid shows his stupidity. Does he know his ancestors were HINDUS, Does all Muslims know their ancestors were HINDUS, so first know your streamline. Everyone in India must understand this, Join hand against Terrorism !!!! Thanks
On 3/28/10, Jayashree Abhyankar <abhy_baby@yahoo.com> wrote: | Gentlemen, As usual, quite a few of the self-proclaimed " True and Moderate Muslims " have started meaninglessly " barking " upon my article, " Is this the so called Religion of peace ", which was sent in response to a religiously inciting mail on MHO, by some Moron. Amazing ! Simply amazing !!! Some of those fellows who have " barked " at my mail, do not have the brains to realise, that their reply has only proved, what I had communicated in my mail - that this so called " religion of peace " is a pretence. That is because, as most of you would have read, these idiots actually justify massacres of innocents women and children, by the Muslim Terrorist animals, stating that those animalistic acts were done in revenge for some pretended insult to their religion ! What bizarre nonsense ! But, I am happy that they have written that, as at least the world can see that this term " Religion of peace " is really a pretence, as maybe half of the Muslim population ( certainly not all ) actually believe in this idiotic concept of killing innocents, under various pretexts. My debate is NOT against Islam. I respect Islam as I respect the other great religions of this world, including my own great religion - Hinduism. My hatred is only for the pathetic terrorists and brainless Mullahs who preach terrorism and create terrorists. I have contempt for docile Muslims, who have not only allowed these animals to take over the great religion of Islam, to bring a bad name to it, but also made all rational people of the world, un-necessarily hate all Muslims ! Now, let me specifically address, the below attached amusing reply, from some illiterate Muslim Moron, who calls himself " Shahid ". This Shahid character has proved that he not only does not have respect for other religions, but also is totally illiterate, ( must have studied a year or so, in some out-dated Pakistani Madarassa ! ) as far as basic knowledge on the world's religions go. Here is my " special " letter to him ..... Mr. Shahid Idiot, First and foremost - learn to think, before you type or write. And thinking should be done with your brains ( Which you probably dont have ) and not your bottom ! The epics Ramayana and Mahabharata, were written, much before the evolution of Islam. Check your historical facts on Google. Ramyana is scientifically proven to have been written around 200 B.C. Mahabharata is scientifically proven to have been written between 540 to 300 B.C. Whereas the origins of Islam is scientifically proven to have been around 610 A.D. So - Mr. Shahid idiot, do not dismiss those epics as some one time wonder, like your idiotic Mullahs tend to do ! These legendary books are far-far more older than your own religion ! Mr. Shahid idiot, Ramayana and Mahabharata are not " Only " about war - as you have stupidly written. War and violence in those epics, are a miniscule part of the lessons to humanity, on how and why NOT to indulge in violence, taught by those great sages to humanity. Mr. Shahid idiot, let me educate you on the main lessons to humanity - from Ramayana, in brief - so that your non-existant brain can learn something good ..... 1. Ramayana is the heart of the body of the Indian scriptures, on the lives and works of divine incarnations. 2. The Bala Kanda and Ayodhya Kanda sections in Ramayana, highlight the fundamental principles of happy family life. 3. The Aranya Khanda section in Ramayana, teaches us how the endurance, stability, vision, vigor, prudence and determination, can help accomplish what in normal course would be considered impossible, for human-endeavors. 4. The Kishkindha Kanda and Lanka Kanda sections of the Ramayana, teach how the collective endeavors of the most ordinary and helpless people, could also overcome the mighty terrors, evil influences and adversities. 5. The Sunder Kanda section is devoted to the immortal glory of goodness, whose thought itself inspires immense courage and inner strength. It is the symbol of the highest realms of intellect, sagacity, valor, devotion and selfless sacrifice for righteous goals and ideals. 6. The Uttara Kanda section of the Ramayana, depicts the necessity and importance of creative endeavors for reconstruction and reestablishment of a righteous environment for progressive and peaceful life, at a global level after the devastation of evil tendencies, animosity and adverse influences of audacious might. 7. The Chaupais of Ramayana, teach that there is no exaggeration in the assertion that - the prestige, serenity and credulity of the marriage institution and the glory of family system, have survived all diversities and cultural disturbances in India, mainly because of people's faith and intimacy with spirituality. Mr. Shahid idiot, is your little non-existent brain able to understand the tiny brief, given above on the Ramayana ? It is not about war - stupid. War is only for Muslim terrorists. Not in Ramayana. | And yes - Mr. Shahid idiot, The Mahabharata DOES NOT recommend that women should have four husbands - like what you have brainlessly written. No. Hindusim is simply too great and too cultured for such idiotic thought. Hinduism strictly propogates a one man - one woman marriage. It is only in Islam, that you pretensive fellows give idiotic excuses to marry four wives. Understand ? Read below - Mr. Shahid idiot. I will educate you on the rationale on how Draupadi became the wife to the five brothers ! Now Mr. Shahid idiot, let me educate you about the Mahabharata in a tiny brief ( again because of your lack of brains to understand if I write more ! ) ...... 1. Mahabharata will always be one of the greatest epics of Hindustan. It explains love, courage, truth, lies, deceit, selfishness, foolishness and every other human emotion. Today when we see people of selfish interests all around us and when we find nations fighting with each other for frivolous reasons, one can remember the lessons explained in the Mahabharata. 2. The characters in Mahabharata are many. Each have their own specialty. The circumstances play different roles in shaping destinies and this gives us a lot to learn from Mahabharta. 3. Kunti teaches us the lesson of lie. She spoke lies about birth of Karna and suffered all her life. 4. Bhishma teaches us the lesson of what happens, if you become a mute observer to great injustice. 5. Dhritrashtra teaches us the lesson of misplaced love, which in the end, killed all his sons. 6. Karna teaches us the lesson of undying friendship with a man of no principles. This led to karna's death. 7. Duryodhana teaches us about the reasons of hatred and destruction. He managed to get all his brothers and friends killed because of his hatred. 8. Bhima teaches us about why one should never forget a wrong, done to oneself. 9. All the Pandava brothers, teach us about how the correct orders of the eldest brother are to be followed. 10. Love between Kunti and Madari, teaches us about how love can be sustained between step wives. 11. Pandu'ss death teaches us about how he could not control his sexual desire at the cost of his life. Now about the five husbands matter, that you have distorted - Mr. Shahid Idiot ..... A. As a daily activity the Pandavas used to go out in search of alms and donations to make both ends meet. On their way back home, Arjun was advised not to mention Draupadi as part of alms to their mother; however Arjun insisted that they could always play a prank with their mother and surprise her later. B. They declare their arrival to their mother and inform about having returned with alms received during the day, not breaking the news about Draupadi at all, who was not part of the donations. There is a surprise in waiting when Kunti promptly directs them to divide 'it' equally amongst themselves, without being aware of the contents of the alms they bring. C. Obeying one's elders religiously was one's duty in those days and there was no way they could disobey this and overturn the directive. Kunti is surprised and speechless on knowing this and is clueless about handling this. While they are trying to find a fitting solution to the grave mistake, Krishna arrives and finds a place in their discussion. D. Apart from warning them of playing prank with their mother, he also draws their attention to one of Draupadi's irrational blessings, where she had persuaded Lord Shiva for a husband with all the qualities that could not be found in one person, but in five separate individuals only. Hence to make good his promise, she is awarded with Pandavas as her husbands. E. This only re-inforces the Mahabharata's teachings on extremely strict discipline and obedience to one's elders and also teaches the elders not to be careless in their own decision making. Every character of Mahabharata teaches us something. It is for us to understand the lesson and follow a path in life that brings joy and peace in life. So, do you now feel " educated " Mr. Shahid idiot ? Jayashree From: Shahid <unic_guy@yahoo.com>
Subject: Fw: {M-H-O} Is this the so called " Religion of peace " ?
To: abhy_baby@yahoo.com
Date: Sunday, March 28, 2010, 2:40 PM
| Dear Before pointing to other religion you just think about your religion ....What Mahabharat and Ramayan contains............its all about the WAR WAR and WAR. Both the books are full of wars .And if you decide as per mythology, book and what you did in Gujrat than HINDUS are true terrorist.......The most amazing thing is that even you people doesnt follow your religion because it have lot of senseless things... if you people really have believe in the your books .. than you should allow your wife to marry more four mans......same like panch pandav did....
So first study your own scriptures and try to follow that ...i am sure your could'nt because you already knows that lots of rubbish things are written in it......
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