A GREAT MAIL!
As suggested in the mail most of us doesnt know the content in the Holy Quran
Is it possible for the group to mail the msgs given in various religious book
so that people dont make their assumption about the religion and
hurt the feeling of others
regards
sree
From: To: MumbaiHangOut@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, 6 March, 2010 8:23:39 PM
Subject: Re: {M-H-O} Comments on letter at MHO
Bravo !!!!
I Hope Everybody Got The ANS here.
Lets Rock on
On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 7:36 PM, ©Ever Smile J © <aa_punnagai@yahoo.com> wrote:
"I am Khan but not terrorist, I am a Muslim but by force I am given a title of terrorist.
A Jew can grow his beard in order to practice his faith
But when Muslim does the same, he is an extremist and terrorist!
A nun can be covered from head to toe in order to devote herself to God, right?
But, then, if a daughter of Muslim-Ummah does the same, why is she oppressed?
When a western woman stays at home to look after her house and kids she is respected by the entire society because of sacrificing her life to her house
But when a Muslim woman does so by her will, they say, "she needs to be liberated"!
Any girl can go to university wearing what she wills and have her rights and freedom?
But when a Muslim Girl/Lady wears Hijab, they prevent her from entering the university!
When a child dedicates himself to a subject, he has potential and talent..
But when he dedicates himself to Islam he is hopeless!
WHY
When someone sacrfices himself to keep others alive, he is noble and everyone respects him.
But when a Palestinian does that to save his son from being killed, his brother's arm being broken, his mother being raped, his home being destroyed, and his mosque being violated --- He gets the title of 'terrorist'! Why? Because he is a "Muslim"!
When there is trouble, we accept any solution available, right? However, if the solution lies in Islam, we refuse to take a look at it.
When someone drives a perfect car in an improper manner, no one blames the car....
But when any Muslim makes a mistake or treats people in a bad manner - people say "Islam is the reason"!
Without giving a glance at Islamic laws, people believe what the newspapers say.
But question what the Holy QURAN says!
Wanna Eradicate Injustice?
Go Ahead -Forward The Mail To Everyone You Know...!
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From: Jayashree Abhyankar <abhy_baby@yahoo.com>Subject: {M-H-O} Comments on letter at MHODate: Saturday, March 6, 2010, 11:41 PM
To: boon119@gmail.com
Cc: mjbeile@yahoo.fr, sam.rox009@gmail.com, sriram.savarkar@gmail.com, MumbaiHangOut@yahoogroups.com
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Sent: Fri, 5 March, 2010 1:45:16 PM
Subject: Re : {M-H-O} Open letter to ......Mr. Shahrukh Khan
Mr , Sriram
I think you are confusing Politics with the universal common sense which is non existant for the politician since his role is the well fare of his people's majourity and not the individual as in minority or 'the self' .
Remember there are three entities to be considered in the reality principle :
1) The self ,( retrospective thinking only )
02)Others (majority in society , which is the role of the politician , to do some thinking related to his people's common well fare..a difficult task criticised often because the layman does not understand the sense of the act )
3) Nature as in geographical environment , which is the business of the Creator of mankind ...GOD )
Just let us not confuse the three .
Have a good day .
mouna .
À : Sriram Savarkar <sriram.savarkar@gmail.com>
Envoyé le : Ven 5 Mars 2010, 9 h 50 min 18 sOne may recall your rather amusing effort to clarify the Pakistani team captain, Shoaib Malik’s apology to the Muslims, living all over the world, for failing to win the final T20 match against India, much to the embarrassment of a lot of Indian Muslims, as expressed by Shamin Bano, mother of the man of the match, Irfan Pathan. What was more embarrassing was your effort to try to defend Shoaib in a subsequent interview, " I don’t think he meant to segregate Muslims, Christians and Hindus and say this was a match between Islam and Hinduism. I don’t think that .... " I doubt whether Shoaib talked to you personally about his thought process at that time. You did not really have to respond for somebody else. Maybe, you could not resist the temptation to show your brotherhood and solidarity.
Objet : {M-H-O} Open letter to ......Mr. Shahrukh Khan
To,
Mr. Shahrukh Khan,
Movie Star,
Bandra Sea Face, Mumbai.
Sub : A few observations on your recent comments.
Mr. Shahrukh Khan,
Your name is a household phenomenon in India and perhaps, even beyond her borders. It has even strangely put you in the Newsweek's " most powerful people list " recently. However, as you may recall from your recent experience in New Jersey Airport, real life is a little different - it does not always follow the path predicted by a scriptwriter or director.
Of late, we have been reading about your opinions and statements on matters beyond the celluloid world. Nothing is wrong in it. You live in a free, democratic country and are entirely entitled to your opinion. But as a common man, also from the same soil, I think I have the right too to raise a few points that may not conform to your views of the real world. I hope you will find the time and patience, to read it through.
When recently, the Pakistani players were not selected for the IPL, it was almost predictable that NDTV, the award-winning, mouthpiece of our so called shameful Indian " liberal " media, selected you for your views. You certified that " Pakistan is a great neighbour to have ". You further went overboard and proclaimed that " They are good neighbours.". I have a few words to say about those statements.
This reminds us again of the late Dr Ambedkar’s observation that, " The brotherhood of Islam is not the universal brotherhood of man. It is a brotherhood of Muslims - ONLY for Muslims "India has never been an invader and is not in conflict with any other Muslim country. None of the wars and conflicts with Pakistan was instigated by India. In the current geopolitical situation, one can argue for the Muslim world’s grudge and anger against Israel, or the west and the USA. But, one fails to fathom, why India should also be at the receiving end and why Indians should be the second largest group of people to die from terrorist attacks. Indian majorities do not have anything to do with the Danish cartoon, or the death of Saddam Hussain. So why should they suffer from Islamic havoc on those occasions ? In almost all occasions of terrorism, questions are raised about the possible role of Pakistan, its terror bases and its terrorist organizations, as either directly or indirectly involved. Be it state sponsored ( as recently admitted by President Zardari ) or by non-state actors. Pakistan or Pakistani born crazies are prime suspect in terrorist activities all over the world. The psychotic ISI, has been accused of playing a role in major terrorist attacks including 9/11 in the USA, terrorism in Kashmir, Mumbai Train Bombings, London Bombings, Indian Parliament Attack, Varanasi bombings, Hyderabad bombings, Mumbai terror attacks, Pune attacks, or the attack on the Indian embassy in Kabul.
Partition of India was what the Pakistanis wanted. They looted, massacred and blackmailed everyone and got that - due to the political weaknesses in Hindu leaders. It was painful to millions. Since then, Pakistan has offered us only hatred. What is Pakistan? It comprises of Pakistani citizens, their own thought processes and actions. Pakistan has imposed on us three major wars, the Kargil insurgency, the Kashmir conflict, the series of serial blasts, the routine violation of border ceasefires, attacks on the Parliament House, the Mumbai 26/11 attack, the Pune attack, the series of bomb blasts in various parts of the country, killing hundreds of innocent Indian civilian citizens.
Did you have these in mind, when you talked about them being good neighbours ?
In another interview, you had tried to explain the concept of Islamic Jihad. You said, " I think one needs to understand the meaning of jihad. The essence of jihad is not about killing other people. Jihad is about killing the badness in you ". May be you understand jihad better and deeper than the superficial meaning of what we, the rest of the mortal mankind, overburdened and terrorized by the inter-religious, intra-religious and sectarian violence that is plaguing the world in the name of Islam today, do. For we, the less educated, cannot really make a difference between Jihad and Qatl, between Jihad by heart / soul, Jihad by pen and Jihad by sword, or even between lesser and greater jihad !
We wonder, whatever its meaning may be, does it minimize the significance of the mindless killings that we see today in the name of Islam, across borders, all over the world ? Does it change the nature of the killers, whether you call them holy warriors, mujahidins, fedayeens, or plain suicide bombers ? We agree with you that terrorism has no religion. But hopefully you will also agree with the people who perceive that most terrorists in the world today, happen to believe in the scriptures of Islam. They actually believe that they themselves are the true Islamists.
The so called " moderate " Islamist, perhaps does not want to contradict them. Or maybe does not dare to speak out against them ! You have probably not forgotten the FIR against you for listing Prophet Mohammed as one of the most unimpressive personalities in history, the threats from which you had to skillfully wriggle out using moneypower and politics ! Others who are not so fortunate, famous or flexible are suffering through their lifetime, as Tasleema Nasreen or Salman Rushdie would testify. For blasphemy in Islam is supposed to be punishable with death, even for a believer ! Is it not ? No civil society rules. No courts of law. Just death decreed by Mad Mullahs ! Do I have to spell out the fate, if it is a non-believer ? It is due to the inherent intolerance and exclusivity of Islam itself, despite your effort to convince us, that the reality today is - There is an Islam from Allah. Yes. But more unfortunately, there is an Islam from the Mullahs ! And it is the Mullah variety of Islam that has left the other rational varety, far behind !
Here is an historical insight from writer Irfan Hussain. He says, " The Muslim heroes who figure larger than life in our history books, do so, because they committed some dreadful crimes. Most have blood-stained hands that the passage of years has not cleansed. Indeed, the presence of Muslim historians on their various campaigns has ensured that the memory of their deeds will live long after they were buried ".
So why should the " Non-believers " care to accept them ? Why should the majority of Indians like to welcome back such disasters again ? Since partition, India has come a long way in progress and development to her current status and is projected as one of the possible economic superpowers in the coming decades. While Pakistan is perceived as a failed state on the verge of disintegration. What does India have to gain by offering neighbourly friendship to such a hostile and failed state ?
Do you believe these are marks of a good neighbour ? Then what is the reason for your preaching of love towards Pakistan ? Perhaps, as you said, because it is your ancestor’s homeland, you have a soft corner for Pakistan and cannot see the difference ? Or is it because of money ? Maybe your films earn a lot from Pakistanis ? On the eve of accepting an honorary doctorate from a British university, we heard you say, " I really believe we are the same. When you come away from India or Pakistan, you realize there is no Indian or Pakistani â€" we’re all together. We are - culturally, as human beings, as friends " Which Pakistanis are you exactly referring to ?Or is it the self-created, Talibanic Pakistan, who still imposes the idiotic " Jizya " tax, on the non believers, or finds pleasure in blowing up girl’s schools and killing little school girls ?.
The Pakistanis belonging to the land, admonished as the epicenter of global terrorism, not just by India or USA, but even by its friendly allies like Iran or China.Sriram Savarkar ©
Are you talking about its President class like the late Bhutto, who started Jihad in Kashmir, that lead to the exodus of Hindu minorities from the Muslim majority state of India, as refugees in their own country?
Are you referring to Pakistanis loyal to the ISI and the military who train their soldiers with only one objective, i.e. to fight Hindu India ?
If your mind is concerned about the faceless masses of Pakistanis, does it also include the dwindling minorities ? Or are you just concerned about the celebrities and the social elites ?
It is true SRK, that we belong to the same human species. But it is hard to stretch the similarities much further between " us " and " them ". We are from the same original land of Bharat. We want to keep her intact. But they want to break it into a thousand pieces. Our ancestors happen to be the same. We acknowledge and adore the heritage. But they abhor and decimate whoever is available, in an attempt to wipe out the link. We are culturally the same. We have created the culture over centuries, what they dream to destroy in moments. Ours is a 10,000 year old civilization, theirs is a 62 years old country undoing whole human civilization. We extend our hands repeatedly to promote friendship and amity; they give us ISI, Lashkar, Harkat, Kashmir, Kargil and 26/11 in exchange.
Do you think that the Indian nationals who died in all the above wars, the brave and fearless Indian soldiers who lost their lives in cross-border ceasefire violations, or the Indian civilians who are killed by the ISI trained Islamic terrorists and their affiliates, in all those serial blasts, all over the country, willfully sacrificed their lives as a friendly neighbourhood gesture ? Can you face the families of the victims of Chhatrapati Shivaji Terminus, or the martyrs of the Kargil war and tried to explain to them that " They are good neighbours. Let us love each other ? " Can you explain why the two gunmen at Cama hospital, during the Mumbai carnage, asked the man who gave them water, what his religion was, and shot him dead when he said he was a Hindu ? If you cannot, then perhaps you understand why the majority of India does not consider Pakistan as a good neighbour to have ! So please dont make us laugh with idiotic comments for your brethren in Pakistan.
Perhaps you believe that the peaceful religious co-existence that you created in your home ( and everyone appreciates that ) can be extended to the large world outside. As you rightly said, we Indians trust and do accept everybody. But, what you did fail to mention was, that it is the Indian tradition, essentially coming out of its pre-Islamic Hindu ethos. If you think otherwise, show us a single Islamic country where the non-believers enjoy the same equality as the believers. Since partition, the Hindus left over in Pakistan and Bangladesh have suffered terribly. Strictly Islamic countries, like Saudi Arabia, do not allow any other religions to exist. Hindus working in the Gulf countries are not allowed to practice their religion in public. Saudi Arabia insists that India sends only a Muslim ambassador. Hindu Muslim unity by and large has generally been a matter of Hindus trying to please or accommodate Muslims. Or corrupt politicians staging stage-managed dramatics for Muslim votes. One cannot forget when Vajpayee was extending his hand for peace, Musharraf was planning the Kargil insurgency.
Let us remind you, your own statement " I am a Muslim in a country called India . We have never been made to feel this is a Hindu country " Can you find me a single Hindu in Pakistan who can reciprocate that sentiment ? Some years ago, another Mr. Khan, first name Feroze, from your film fraternity was banned from entering Pakistan for saying, " India is secular unlike Pakistan ". That is the basic difference of the land of " Hindu " India from the Islamic Pakistan.
So please do not ask us to love Pakistan. That is not only illogical but downright stupid. Please do not lump the people of India and Pakistan together. We Indians are proud to preserve our separate identity. And please do not insult the land that gave you your life, name and fame, by claiming that her worst enemy, who wants to break her into 1000 pieces, is a great neighbour.
Otherwise it would be sad, if somebody accuses you of putting your religion, ahead of your country ......
Please do give a thought to my views, Mr. Khan and think carefully, before you shoot your mouth of - the next time.
Regards,
--
Hinduism is more a way of life than a method of worship.
Dharmo Rakshati Rakshithaha
If you protect Dharma, Dharma will in turn protect you.
Hindus, If people slap you once, slap them twice!
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