Dear Mr. Ramapuram & MHO, My reply is with reference to your point of view which you have described in your mail and it was really encouraging to go through till the bottom line. I accept most of your veiw, which are practically true, except the one where you talk about the Israel & Palestine War........ here i would like to put my words in order to clarify all your misconception and misunderstanding about the war....... actually........it is Palentine Struggle for independence against a ruthless & cruel regime supported by the west. Being an Indian i can tell that our meida is biased, they are broadcasting their news for entertainment, sponsership, money making.....etc etc but not to educate the poor indians like we......... what is the actual truth. Firstly Israel was forcefully created during the aftermath of WW-II on the Palestanian land somewere around 1948, they came as a refugees of WW-II and see today, Israel has occupied most of the Palestine. Palestine do not have an army or a police force to defend themselves therefore the responsible population have decided to defend their ancestors homeland by taking up arms, they do not have freedom to move, no proper shelter, no schools, no hospitals, no enough food, no proper drinking water.... in one word there is nothing......... but still the Palestanian's are overcoming all this hardship in a believe that one day they will kick out the Israelies the same way we did to the East India Company (British). Every day Israel is killing 100 of Palestanians, including childrens, women & elderly people, just in the name of self defence....... this is all bull shit........Israel is committing genocide / holocaust but the west did not bother to stop their beloved friend in doing so, infact they are providing them with more sophisticated weapons and WMD to destroy the palestine and eleminate the entire population and on the other hand play as a peace loving nation. We indians are smart and well educated. I request each and every indian to hunt for the truth by themself as no news channels is neutral in this entire world, either it is an american, arab, indian, pakistani, british etc etc... Jai Hind & Proud to be an Indian Syed Nisar Syed Hameed from Dubai (UAE) Dear Mr. Ramapuram & MHO, --- On Mon, 10/12/09, pankaj malviya <pankajmalviya2002@yahoo..co.in> wrote:
From: pankaj malviya <pankajmalviya2002@yahoo.co.in>
Subject: Re: {M:H:O} ~~~ DASAVATAR - RAM ~~~ ( Indian's Dont mIss )
To: MumbaiHangOut@yahoogroups.com
Cc: chessilcherian@gmail.com
Date: Monday, October 12, 2009, 8:00 AM
| Dear All, I think, Mr.Chessil Ramapuram is absolutely right and he has prove once again that Our MHO has tremendous brain and lots of honest efforts to be more than a group. Our Rocking Group MHO has lots of opinions, information' s, current affairs, love and respect for every one from the world. It is my kind request to all of us that, please don't mixed this topic to any religion and if any one want to say about his/ her religion, please talk or write for MHOians.... Our group(MHO) has one religion that is called by LOVE and Only LOVE.
PANKAJ MALVIYA
--- On Mon, 12/10/09, Chessil Ramapuram <chessilcherian@ gmail.com> wrote:
From: Chessil Ramapuram <chessilcherian@ gmail.com>
Subject: Re: {M:H:O} ~~~ DASAVATAR - RAM ~~~ ( Indian's Dont mIss )
To: MumbaiHangOut@ yahoogroups. com
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Date: Monday, 12 October, 2009, 3:36 PM
Dear Masood Khan and all,
If you all read it may kindly read completely because I also put my time to write this which is though my own thinking but not to hurt any religion or any person. The subject / topic going on is interesting one because normally each human being are eager to know the same ! I respect Hindu culture which we call as traditional Culture of India , particularly the importance of respect to the family relations. And I do not comment on the belief in their religion, whether they practice religion / god in the right path or not. When we talk about the end of world , no religion and it's holy books clearly given the date or time , but they say there will be an end. Mr. Masood Khan before quote with Christians and Jews you have to read their Holy books carefully Because nothing at all mentioned in their Holy Books nor any of us believe Muslims will rule the world for 40 or 50 years , but fine if it happens then welcome we have no probs really i am telling you because it does not matter me Christian /Muslims /Hindus rule the world ,but what i said is no Christan's or Jews have any prediction like one particular religion will rule the world ! and I think Hindus also do not believe that. I always wonder why people talk about America and Israel specially our Muslims friends !! Dear friends if America announce that there are some visa immediately going to issue for foreigners then Muslims will be more in number in the Q to apply for it , but they keep saying against ! and you know more than 30 million Muslims are there in America living with full freedom and happy even the president who is basically from a region of Africa also a son of Muslim father became the president of this so called Anti Muslims country America !! can any one even imagine in Saudi or Iran or and other most of the Muslims Arab country to be candidate in their Parliament ??!! and can any one imagine in these Saudi or Iran or other most of the country they let all other religion to practice their religion with full freedom ! nor they let you to buy some property which is not allowed for any other nationalities no matter the religion also ..I mean to say dear Muslims friends you go to Australia , Newzeland , U.K , Canada , Germany , America , Ireland and where else ! these are not your enemies dear friends nor they are Anti Muslims , and you can not judge the entire country and the people with one bad president George Bush. and America and it's people are really always carrying democracy. Why no one can beat Israel ?! I strongly believe that there will be day Israel will be looser because they are chosen people ! and see Massood Khan if Israel is always Anti Muslims then why not they build such group of terrorists like Al quida , Taliban and walk around the whole world to kill the Muslims people ,so see we can not judge Israel only with the War between Palestine. See Palestine also fight with them but Israel is more strong that is why more Palestine's are killed!! But I strongly say it should not happen and there should be peace in Palestine and Israel. And I pray for the people in Palestine. Why America and all other western and European , and Japan , Russia , China and India are developed /developing !? which are majority of Christians countries and non Muslims countries , the vehicles, electronics , computer and new new inventions , science and technologies are with them !! and why not with Muslims countries like Indonesia , Sudan , Pakistan , Afghanistan and even these Arab countries though they are rich with nature given source of income like Petrol which is even they could not and only Americans and European could invent and taken out from the under part of the earth , because of technology.. .. So what i wanted to tell you is that why so happening ? is it because of religion God blessed some countries , my answer is a Big No .. it is not because of Religion neither God Blessed, then how ? my simple answer is that those countries which have given more importance to their religion instead of hard work and democracy are the example of undeveloped and not success in any inventions or science and technologies and all other countries they given importance to the developments and the technologies and hard work then after all these only they gave importance to their religion ! Hope most of all will agree with me in this regard .. so pray to God and do your duty as a human being , and to practice it you never ever need a religion !!! Let me ask do any one have any proof that how we/ human made of ? I mean how human being came to the world ? I say no one have the proof except some Holy books like Bible , Quran , and other holy books say that , and that is also written by human being what ever arguments we do it is written by human being only . and that is part of our belief hence there is no other proof for how and who made human being in the world !! so the question remains and that question leads / force us to believe in one power which we call God. Well, if we agree that God is there for sure BUT dear friends what are these religion means ? Each God of each religion ??!! like leader of each political party !!!!!!!!!! come on dear friends ,if God is the reason / creator for all / everything then Jesus Christ and Muhammad nabi and all other so called Hindu goddess etc are created by God only.right ? and they have showed / taught some good path to live as a good human being then follow what they said in stead of making some political party like religion BECAUSE these all prophetess never created any organisation or religion before their death. but after their death these groups / religion formed !!!!!!!! what for ?for this disharmony / to fight each other in the name sake of God or for some human being lived before us and thinking they are they way only to God ?? My dear ones , I say a big no ! why because God created each of with same shape and same brain as all who lived in the earth , but is it up to us how to make use of it and how to find time on developing our brains !! or to live a like a real human being. In Bible and Quran and Ramayana and all many things written about some miracles happened / taken place which we only read in these Books not experienced and why we can not experience / see in our living time ! So as per bible those believe with out seeing will be blessed people ! yes , we will / have to believe God is there, but never ever have to think or walk like ants , animals , i mean just to follow what our forefathers were we are individuals made by the creator / God, so why don't any of us think and live according to the way which is good / help full for each other. Friends I am a christian basically but I believe Jesus Christ also was human being like one of us and but he could live and practice the ways which god wants from each human being , and of course Jesus Christ became the Son of God , not by the birth but by the way he lived . and each of us are created by God but to become his son or daughter we have to live accordingly. And then finally What is the end of the world ?? My answer is there will be end of the world but when anyone die that is end of his world. Those who died in accidents / floods / killing/ natural calamities / etc.. were the end of their world !!! But for sure there will be a day of judgement from God to all human being no matter the religion. Hindus / Muslims / Christians / and other religions / non religious / Anti religious like Satanism / etc will be taken to judgment and if heaven is there then for sure soul will be sent to heaven those who did the maximum humanity / kindness / love in unity ....!!! Conclude saying that , do and live the way you will be peace minded and happy but that way you choose should never ever hurt / disturb others directly or indirectly. Hoping for the best Sincerely In MHO, Chessil Ramapuram Kuwait. On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 8:07 PM, MASOOD KHAN <masood_maaz_ khan@yahoo. com> wrote: DEAR BHARAT,
First of all let me clear, i wrote some my personal views with some my religion base, but i did not say any thing about any religion or compare or make down ok dear
Just read carefully, second as u written non muslim as thinkers of unpredictable things, did i written any thing about this, please read my paragraph again. Just i tried to say the world is not going to be finish, because we strong believe b4 end of d world Muslim will rule all over the world 40 years. But with challenge i want to tell you and all, their is no prediction can be true, just it is word ok, now i am telling you if 2012 as u said some fire is coming from sky and going to hit earth, some thing like that, believe me Bharat as a friend i am telling you not a point of religion, nothing will happen, if it will happen just call me i will accept your religion. You know very well, America is trouble maker, first they make trouble in the world and later they tried to solve the problem, might be they will fire from space some thing and proof their self how much true their fore casting. Sorry, if i hurt you or anyone here, Take care, Bye
Subject: Re: {M:H:O} ~~~ DASAVATAR - RAM ~~~ ( Indian's Dont mIss )
Dear Mr Khan,
As Hindu I say , why not !!!
Only questions in my mind are How many will be left to rule ?
Where (area wise) across the world and for how long ?
As we also have right to ask how U can be so exact while
consider non Muslims as Thinkers of unpredictable things !!!!!
BHARAT
--- On Sun, 10/11/09, MASOOD KHAN <masood_maaz_ khan@yahoo. com> wrote:
Dear Friends,
Kindly read carefully, i am reading on this subject since beginning, well nobody can predict for future. make it clear in your mind, second natural climaties usually coming, it's does not mean, i t will be again happen exact on 2012.
And don't mind all Non-Muslim guys, i want to refer all of you the world is not going to finish, you know why, because b4 destruction of the world Muslim will rule on the world 40 years in every where, it's fact ok, all 4 books which came from sky it's giving us proof, even Christians & Jews too know.
All over don't worry nothing will be happend at least in 2012, except normal daily news.
Save my email if we will alive, we will talk about on this matter in 2012.
Regards,
Masood H. Khan
From: koshy <rajikoshy@gmail. com>
To: MumbaiHangOut@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Sun, October 11, 2009 5:27:22 PM
Subject: Re: {M:H:O} ~~~ DASAVATAR - RAM ~~~ ( Indian's Dont mIss )
dear friends, its nice to read the comments.. and its true that every modern man will try to reason out things these days. and we should reason out things before we accept it. if not it becomes blind faith.
I have an answer to this - Every religion predicts somethings. But are described in the form that is understood by the people who read it at the time of writing it. so when we talk of destruction by sword - we must understand that there is a destruction going to take place - the sword means - death - it should not mean only that instrument. It can be even modern warfare.
Then coming to the subject:KALKI AVATAR is FORETOLD in many other religions too, evenMayancivilizati onpredictedit that there isdestructionin 2012, the biblepredictsit saying there is destruction due to fire from sky.
Now its time for us to think-
Look into scientific facts - there ismeteoroidthat will reach earth path in december 2012. if it strike the earth its impact is sufficient to destroy a continent... .
Mayan scholars have been attempting to correlate the Long Count with our Western Gregorian calendar, since the beginning of this century. There has been massive variation in thesuggested correlations, but as early as 1905, Goodman suggested a correlation only 3 days from the most popular one today. Known as theGMT correlation, or "correlation # 584283", this was finalized in 1950, and puts the start of the Great Cycle( day 0.0.0.0.0)on11th August3114 BC, and the end-date (known as 13.0.0.0.0.) as21st December 2012. Christian eschatology concerns theafterlife, thereturn of Jesus, theEnd of the World,resurrection of the dead, theLast Judgment, renewal of creation,HeavenandHell, the establishment of theKingdom of God, and the consummation of all of God's purposes, the fulfillment ofMessianic prophecyand the beginning of theMessianic Age.
Reason one: Mayan calendar
The first to predict2012as the end of the world were the Mayans, a bloodthirsty race that were good at two things -- building highly accurate astrological equipment out of stone and sacrificing virgins.
Thousands of years ago they managed to calculate the length of the lunar moon as 329.53020 days, only 34 seconds out. The Mayan calendar predicts that the earth will end on December 21,2012. Given that they were pretty close to the mark with the lunar cycle, it™s likely they™ve got the end of the world right as well.
Reason two: Sun storms
Solar experts from around the world monitoring the sun have made a startling discovery. Our sun is in a bit of strife. The energy output of the sun is, like most things in nature, cyclic and it™s supposed to be in the middle of a period of relative stability. However, recent solar storms have been bombarding the earth with lot of radiation energy. It™s been knocking out power grids and destroying satellites. This activity is predicted to get worse and calculations suggest it™ll reach its deadly peak sometime in2012.
Reason three: The atom smasher
Scientists in Europe have been building the world™s largest particle accelerator. Basically, its a 27 km tunnel designed to smash atoms together to find out what makes the universe tick. However, the mega-gadget has caused serious concern, with some scientists suggesting that it™s properly even a bad idea to turn it on in the first place. They™re predicting all manner of deadly results, including mini black holes. So when this machine is fired up for its first serious experiment in2012, the world could be crushed into a super-dense blob the size of a basketball.
Reason four: The Bible says it
If having scientists warning us about the end of the world isn™t bad enough, religious folks are getting in on the act as well. Interpretations of the Christian Bible reveal that the date for Armageddon, the final battle between good an evil, has been set for2012. The I Ching, also known as theChinese Book of Changes, says the same thing, as do various sections of the Hindu teachings.
Reason five: Super volcano
Yellowstone National Park in United States is famous for its thermal springs and old faithful geyser. The reason for this is simple -- it™s sitting on top of the world™s biggest volcano and geological experts are beginning to get nervous sweats. The Yellowstone volcano has a pattern of erupting every 650,000 years or so, and we™re many years overdue for an explosion that will fill the atmosphere with ash, blocking the sun and plunging the earth into a frozen winter that could last up to 15,000 years. The pressure under the Yellowstone is building steadily, and geologists have set2012as a likely date for the big bang..
Reason six: The physicists
This one™s case of bog -- simple maths mathematics. Physicists at Berkely University have been crunching the numbers. They™ve determined that the earth is well overdue for a major catastrophic event. Even worse, they™re claiming that their calculations prove that we™re all going to die, very soon. They are also saying that their prediction comes with a certainty of 99 per cent; and2012just happens to be the best guess as to when it occurs.
Reason seven: Earth™s magnetic field
We all know the Earth is surrounded by a magnetic field that shields us from most of the sun™s radiation. What you might not know is that the magnetic poles we call North and South have a nasty habit of swapping places every 750,000 years or so -- and right now we™re about 30,000 years overdue. Scientists have noted that the poles are drifting apart roughly 20-30 kms each year, much faster than ever before, which points to a pole-shift being right around the corner. While the pole shift is under way, the magnetic field is disrupted and will eventually disappear, sometimes for up to 100 years. The result is enough UV outdoors to crisp your skin in seconds, killing everything it touches.
On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 7:23 PM, ˜¼ S.K.SINGH ˜¼ <santosh@mumbaihango ut.org> wrote: VERY GOOD QUESTION DEVI ANAND ......I HAD SOMETHING SAMEIN MY MIND TOO WHEN I WAS COMPOSING THIS MAIL BUT ONCE I GONE THROUGH THE LAST 9 AVATARS I MUST BELEIVE THAT HE WILL DO THE SAME FOR WHAT HE SUPPOSE TO COME, BECOZ THE ' BELEIVE 'IS GOD ITSELF, IF YOU DONT BELEIVE YOUR GOD I DONT THINK YOU HAVE GOD.
AND ONCE YOU BELEIVE YOUR GOD EVERYTHING IS POSSIBLE IN HIS WAY......... ......... ........IF YOU DONT AGREE WITH ME PLEASE READ CAREFULLY HIS ALL 9 AVATARS AND TRY TO FIND OUT WHAT HE DONE BEFORE WAS POSSIBLE ???
SEE I M NOT A PANDIT or VERY KNOWLEDGEBLE MAN ABOUT MY RELEGION , I M VERY COMMON MAN SAME AS YOU SO I CANT EXPLAIN YOU MORE........ ......... ... EVENTHOUGH I WILL TRY TO GIVE YOU SOME MORE INFORMATION ABOUT KALKI AVATARS BUT TOMARROW, NOW ITS MY OFFICE CLOSING TIME.
YOUR QUESTION IS CORRECT BUT I DONT THINK ANY ONE CAN GIVE A 100% SATISFACTORY ANSWER...... .IF ANY ONE CAN PLZ.....YOU ARE MOST WELCOME.
With Regards SANTOSH SINGH
On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 1:40 PM, devi gokhale <samuraigokhale@ yahoo.co. in> wrote: Good job Mr. Singh....
BUT I HAVE A SMALL DOUBT. IN THIS MODERN AGE HOW WILL THE KALKI DESTROY EVERYTHING BY SWORD??? HE MUST NEED SOME MODERN WEAPON. ATLEAST HE MUST NEED AK47.
I AM NOT CRITIZISING YOU.. JUST I AM ASKING WHAT CAME INTO MY HEART WHEN I AM CONTEMPLATING ABOUT THIS MAIL.
MOREOVER, MOST OF THE AVATARS HAPPEND ONLY ON SATYA YUGA AND DWAPAR YUGA. BUT AS PER THE HINDU RELIGIOUS TEXT, THE KALI YUGA IS THE MOST DISASTEROUS PERIOD. SO GOD SHOULD TAKE LOT OF AVATAR IN THIS TIME ONLY TO SAVE THE MANKIND.
IF IT IS POSSIBLE TO ANSWER ME, PLEASE REVERT ME BACK.
I AM AWAITING FOR YOUR REPLY.
REGARDS,
DEVI ANAND GOKHALE. R |
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